tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post2382046511095801924..comments2023-12-17T16:13:06.670-05:00Comments on In a Godward direction: Marriage as Eschatological SignTobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-67631960477696701692014-06-17T08:45:25.110-05:002014-06-17T08:45:25.110-05:00Thanks, George. What I'm getting at is the ful...Thanks, George. What I'm getting at is the full implication of the Johannine notion that we "shall be one as the Father and the Son are one." It is not that the relationship one has with a spouse will cease to exist in the world to come, nor that we will simply have other spouses, but that all will share in the kind of perichoresis shared by the Trinity -- that is, perfect unity without the loss of the "personality" that each brings, and which each relationship brings. One of the reasons I am such a staunch defender of the non-filioque position is that it makes clear that the relationship of the Father with the Son is not the same as that with the Spirit. Thus ones relationship with a spouse (in the w.t.c.) is not the "same" as that with others -- for the relationship between two entities must differ from the relationship with any other entity -- yet all relationships will be "equal" -- equality without identity is, I think, the key to the Trinity and the eschaton...Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-77287177726410663482014-06-17T08:25:40.039-05:002014-06-17T08:25:40.039-05:00I can't imagine that after the resurrection, m...I can't imagine that after the resurrection, my husband's relation with me will be the same as with whichever other person. The necessity of the lasting of the marriage is the same as the necessity of the eternal life.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01034543498553829977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-5449053225385595342014-05-21T13:04:11.467-05:002014-05-21T13:04:11.467-05:00Deacon Charlie, I think you are correct, but the t...Deacon Charlie, I think you are correct, but the tradition saw it the other way around. I recall a story I heard from a RC sister Clare Fitzgerald, former head of the League of Women Religious, telling a story about another aged sister who was dying, and who said, "You know, Sister, like all of us I've had my times of trouble with the vows. I've not always been good with poverty; and I sure had some problems with obedience. But the one thing I got right was celibacy: <i>I have loved no one!</i>" Sadly, the understanding of celibacy as the freedom to love all became, for her, the choice to love no one. Hardly an image of the life to come...Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-11855420594835476662014-05-21T12:56:32.979-05:002014-05-21T12:56:32.979-05:00I would say that the argument for celibacy is the ...I would say that the argument for celibacy is the weaker of the two given that the unmarried state in the afterlife is nowhere near the unmarried state in the present life.Deacon Charlie Perrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02865504124912476964noreply@blogger.com