tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post5466999689987928541..comments2023-12-17T16:13:06.670-05:00Comments on In a Godward direction: Peter Feeds His SheepTobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-62942432782250336882009-10-15T08:46:44.779-05:002009-10-15T08:46:44.779-05:00Thanks, all, for the comments. You are bringing ou...Thanks, all, for the comments. You are bringing out some very important nuances of the present situation. It seems to me that much of our discussion these days, on a number of topics, has taken on an almost Talmudic quality, in which any given thesis is surrounded by a halo of commentary and commentary on commentary -- and out of this mix what are we to make of those who want a simple black-and-white up-or-down vote on the various underlying issues?Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-11521419140314735482009-10-15T02:20:26.824-05:002009-10-15T02:20:26.824-05:00For quite a while now, I've wondered about Row...For quite a while now, I've wondered about Rowan's 'I must decrease' understanding of his role as Archbishop. To separate person from task seems to sit uncomfortably with our belief in the Incarnation. If the particularity of Jesus and his context is a key part of allowing him to be truly human, then perhaps Rowan needs to risk being himself. I think he's right not to think that his well-informed opinions are not to be promulgated by virtue of his office, and he is right also to be cautious not to skew debate, but I do think he ought to be able to state that, while x is a majority opinion, it is nonetheless one with which he disagrees, or one that he genuinely thinks may be askew with where he thinks the Spirit is leading the Church, however slowly. If he is to be a focus or instrument of unity, it has to be more incarnate, more real, than it has recently appeared to be. If his take on things is in any way inspired by the Holy Spirit, then he needs to witness to it for all our sakes. And if he has changed his mind on a few contentious issues, then many of us wouldn't mind learning why -- again for all our sakes.<br /><br />JoeJoenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-5774037902392232422009-10-12T10:51:29.498-05:002009-10-12T10:51:29.498-05:00I rather like the 3 item distillation. For the &#...I rather like the 3 item distillation. For the 'safe context' of item 2, the (albeit not single) 'voice' of item 3, as well as our public image, there needs to be a concrete base.<br /><br />The Chicago-Lambeth Quadrilateral served this role for a while. It was neither confessional nor constitutional in nature but descriptive -- unlike the current official draft covenant.<br /><br />I'm not sure if you have seen my sketch, which is the last link <a href="http://home.roadrunner.com/~billhammondsr/church/church.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.William F Hammond Srhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00298218257049312119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-1667950961682363132009-10-11T17:21:01.130-05:002009-10-11T17:21:01.130-05:00The Rowanogion! You gave me a good laugh there, T...The Rowanogion! You gave me a good laugh there, Tobias, though it is years since I dipped into that part of literary history.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06090720645937634051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-12042985552656668502009-10-10T21:22:39.876-05:002009-10-10T21:22:39.876-05:00I appreciate reading this about the Bishop.I appreciate reading this about the Bishop.Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08061517211101084120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-31426961794840217522009-10-10T21:12:52.917-05:002009-10-10T21:12:52.917-05:00I think you are correct both to note that Bp Selby...I think you are correct both to note that Bp Selby is responding to Archbp Williams' interpretation and that at this point it may not be possible to separate the two. As a good portion of my dissertation hangs on the interpretive as much as the words on the page, I would say that we must pay attention to the hermeneutical portions that have shaped (in advance of possible passage) this Covenant not only in the words on the page but in how it is being understood and deployed (often as a weapon). Much of the interpretive framework via Archbp Williams, Bp Wright et al is deeply troubling and I might add comes across as partisan, particularly Roman-Anglo-Catholic and Evangelical in flavor in terms of ecclesiology in the former and doctrinal emphasis in the latter. Much of the complexity of history in particular Churches (Provinces) is given slight mention or outright smoothed over (e.g., the Episcopal Church of Scotland) and the Anglican ability to live with disagreement within a rather broad tent is practically dissed. On top of that, to deplore homophobia in words while performing homophobia in myriad ways is dehumanizing, period. I am reminded how colonial ways of thinking are still very much with us in Anglican Christianity, ways of thinking at odds with Archbp Williams' Welsh roots and Benedictine profession.Closedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04752595488795781895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-71112173476746524052009-10-10T19:17:39.556-05:002009-10-10T19:17:39.556-05:00I would agree that the Bishop's address is to ...I would agree that the Bishop's address is to <i>this</i> covenant and <i>this</i> archbishop. I do think, though, that he does highlight the question whether <i>any</i> covenant document is of even the <i>bene esse</i>, much less the <i>esse</i> of the Communion (and taking <i>pleni esse </i> off the table as well). No, he doesn't answer that question, or even address it directly; but I think he highlights it nonetheless.<br /><br />(NB: My verification is "comas:" where many of us think drafts of an Anglican Covenant to this point are resting.)Marshall Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-1668375080854658792009-10-10T18:38:39.814-05:002009-10-10T18:38:39.814-05:00Amen.
Bishop Selby's clear thinking has provi...Amen.<br /><br />Bishop Selby's clear thinking has provided an oasis in what has felt like an Anglican desert of late: too much arid shifting sand of nicities and half-baked arguments.Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07474786207149076221noreply@blogger.com