tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post6127800881390166259..comments2023-12-17T16:13:06.670-05:00Comments on In a Godward direction: English Episcopal PAC-menTobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-68339658676771285072012-03-05T10:25:17.606-05:002012-03-05T10:25:17.606-05:00Yes, JCF, the clutching of pearls (or pectoral cro...Yes, JCF, the clutching of pearls (or pectoral crosses) is really too much. The rejection of the Covenant will mean precisely nothing other than the rejection of a deeply flawed proposal. Life will go on.<br /><br />Same here in NY, Daniel. We did a study throughout the diocese, with workshops and lectures (from both sides) and still no one really cares all that much. There were no motions at our diocesan convention, and the general response is a collective NY "Eh."Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-11018995253180015372012-03-05T07:56:39.927-05:002012-03-05T07:56:39.927-05:00Even with all the pro-PAC material emanating from ...Even with all the pro-PAC material emanating from Lamberth Palace it comes to this. Here in Massachusetts there is hardly any conversation about the PAC at all now. People are talking about and even engaging in mission. Imagine that!Daniel Weirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11430381764138066595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-6996652681502459112012-03-04T19:33:47.514-05:002012-03-04T19:33:47.514-05:00A luke-warm response, or worse, rejection, of the ...<i>A luke-warm response, or worse, rejection, of the Covenant in the Church of England would meet with bewilderment in the wider Communion. Some would ask with the prophet Isaiah, “Can a mother forget her children?”</i><br /><br />As I said at Thinking Anglicans: DRAMA QUEENS! }-p<br /><br />[With the "mother" reference, I'm also reminded of this bumpersticker: "My mother was a travel agent for guilt trips". Guilt-tripping the CoE hoi polloi into approving the Covenant?]JCFnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-73625327474031890342012-03-04T19:06:07.835-05:002012-03-04T19:06:07.835-05:00For whatever reason, I think they are desperate. A...For whatever reason, I think they are desperate. And desperation produces flawed logic. And hubris...Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-89677296688158805032012-03-04T18:50:43.723-05:002012-03-04T18:50:43.723-05:00The Covenant does not solve these debates, but rat...<i>The Covenant does not solve these debates, but rather sets out what is commonly held to be essential to our Anglican (and Christian) identity and describes the best practice of how communion may be sustained within the Anglican Communion – </i><br /><br />How has the Anglican Communion functioned for all these years without the covenant, if it is essential to "our Anglican (and Christian) identity"? For once, before the process to adopt or not adopt the PAC concludes, I'd like to see a well-reasoned argument in favor of the necessity of the covenant. I note that the bishops broadened the reasons why we must have the PAC to include our identity as Christians. Persuasion by overreach?June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.com