tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post7156667569653319185..comments2023-12-17T16:13:06.670-05:00Comments on In a Godward direction: Sur le pont d'AvignonTobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-25807846519213973922008-11-19T02:59:00.000-05:002008-11-19T02:59:00.000-05:00Heh: I love the communications dynamic I just obse...Heh: I love the communications <I>dynamic</I> I just observed on this thread! [And I'm not talking about French translations ;-/]<BR/><BR/>Now, if only I could replicate your technique, Tobias... (I just HAVE to get better connected! ;-X)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-85612180607657269632008-11-18T13:08:00.000-05:002008-11-18T13:08:00.000-05:00Fr JJ, I learned it without the additional object ...Fr JJ, I learned it without the additional object marker. I did a quick google search and found both version extant, but didn't see anything definitive. As with much folk music! I suppose there must be a critical edition out there somewhere. Grammatically, it seems to amount to the difference between "One dances there" (less literally, "They dance there") and with the added object what is otherwise implied, "on it."<BR/><BR/>Simon Sarmiento reminded me off line that this is a real "bridge to nowhere" now, as it stops in the midst of the river. Not a bad image for schism, eh?Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-4152662807325144752008-11-18T12:44:00.000-05:002008-11-18T12:44:00.000-05:00I know it's picky, but memories of my French class...I know it's picky, but memories of my French class of some 60 years ago suggest that it is "L'on y danse, l'on y danse", yes? (grin)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-5082389386074188542008-11-18T11:37:00.000-05:002008-11-18T11:37:00.000-05:00I see your point. Thanks for clarifying. Fr. Mic...I see your point. Thanks for clarifying. Fr. MichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-50981762262717538702008-11-17T17:48:00.000-05:002008-11-17T17:48:00.000-05:00FrM., the differences of opinion on matters of sex...FrM., the differences of opinion on matters of sexuality have been discussed through relatively unimpassioned dialogue within the Episcopal Church and Anglican Communion for going on 33 years now, at the national and international level; there were other discussion at diocesan and parish levels long before. What has brought the matter "to a head" was the election and ordination of Bishop Robinson in New Hampshire -- he has been the focus of attention. <BR/><BR/>The primary issue, then, is over the role of gay and lesbian persons in leadership. So yes, there is an issue of pastoral theology buried in the midst of this, but leadership issues are what as brought it to the light of day.<BR/><BR/>The "open" part is indeed significant. For years people were willing to tolerate gay clergy and bishops as long as they were discreet; so it is the openness that has "created" the problem. This is, I dare say, from my personal knowledge of a handful of gay Roman Catholic priests, religious, and at least one bishop (at whose institution his partner had a seat of honor along with the partner of the cathedral's organist), not unlike what would happen were certain closet doors to be flung open, particularly if, for example, a gay Roman Catholic bishop were to begin to attempt to justify himself. The "issue" is theological, but the "proximate cause" of the controversy would be the revelation. So the issue as it has emerged appears to be less about scriptural interpretation or theological principle, but about the degree to which the "traditional" teaching is allowed to stand unchallenged by an open critique and reevaluation, made personal in the choice of leaders.Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-65699270580246746002008-11-17T17:22:00.000-05:002008-11-17T17:22:00.000-05:00As an outsider, I don't understand your statement ...As an outsider, I don't understand your statement "since the focus appears to be more on leaders than on doctrine." This whole Anglican mess IMHO is about whether the open acceptance of homosexuality is in accordance with Scripture or not. Beyond that, it has revealed the great divergence in Biblical hermeneutics within Anglicanism and divisions over the approach to how development of doctrine occurs. These are all fundamentally theological questions.<BR/><BR/>What am I missing here?<BR/><BR/>FrMichaelAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com