tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post7844804837352085386..comments2023-12-17T16:13:06.670-05:00Comments on In a Godward direction: Reactions and IntoleranceTobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-40793737060621109472010-04-28T10:41:59.073-05:002010-04-28T10:41:59.073-05:00It all seems very simple.
Tobias and others, ar...It all seems very simple. <br /><br />Tobias and others, are you aware of efforts by the/a church or para-church organization to provide assistance and ministry to lgbt individuals in Africa? I am aware of Integrity's cooperation with +Christopher in Uganda, and wondering if there are other such efforts to fill the vacuum created by the churches' big step back. To respect provincial borders at the cost of these individuals fills me with a sense of shame, and to defer to Amnesty International, as in the case of Steven and Tiwonge in Malawi, embarrassment.KJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15701224049914946896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-60769731278885019352010-04-27T13:07:52.116-05:002010-04-27T13:07:52.116-05:00Tobias, around and about in the blogosphere, I'...Tobias, around and about in the blogosphere, I've seen analogies which cast the Episcopal Church in the role of the abused spouse. At times, I have thought, "Yes. These words are abusive," but I don't know that spouse/marriage is the proper analogy, because the abusive language comes from more than one direction. Your thoughts?June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-55445324285056747952010-04-26T13:22:35.437-05:002010-04-26T13:22:35.437-05:00But blaming all your problems on someone else is e...But blaming all your problems on someone else is easier than actually trying to find solutions for them.<br /><br />Unfortunately, far too many people seem to live by that philosophy these days, too.Jarredhttp://musings.northerngrove.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-30787743645316742162010-04-23T12:39:08.826-05:002010-04-23T12:39:08.826-05:00Thanks for the thoughts and comments. I've bee...Thanks for the thoughts and comments. I've been in a whirlwind of busyness the last two days, only having time to make a small correction (lawtose intolerance is not an allergy -- as I knew but misstated in the original post).<br /><br />FHS, you are absolutely correct, and it is a problem. I had said as long ago as 1988, following Barbara Harris' election, that what Runcie called "impaired communion" was a reality -- though also in the same league as "partial virginity"! My point at the time was that in ecumenical discussion it is the "mutual recognition of ministers" that always seems to be among the defining issues -- and that by ceasing to "recognize" certain ministers we were indeed becoming separated. My suggestion here is that there is a difference between WO, where the ordination was denied, and Bp Robinson, where it is dissuaded. As someone said recently, it is the difference between "isn't" and "oughtn't" that is at stake. Uganda is still free not to permit +Gene to function even while allowing that he <i>is</i>, but in their mind ought not be, a bishop. So WO is actually (or in theory should be) more communion-dividing than a gay bishop; and certainly more than the issue of blessings, which has nothing to do with church polity.Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-27252989526114972442010-04-23T11:13:40.568-05:002010-04-23T11:13:40.568-05:00I thought that one part of being in the Anglican C...I thought that one part of being in the Anglican Communion was precisely recognizing each other ordinations (etc.) as valid for and to be honored in all areas. To be sure, some of this has come under attack with designating Ugandan bishops for the US and so on, but in uncomplicated cases like NH and LA it should still fly.Kaliputrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-14060322894728625112010-04-22T22:03:43.226-05:002010-04-22T22:03:43.226-05:00I love this analogy,, from now on its all the faul...I love this analogy,, from now on its all the fault of the pollen...seamusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-81954812011152486482010-04-22T21:02:03.913-05:002010-04-22T21:02:03.913-05:00Actually, they're now in Singapore, where just...Actually, they're now in Singapore, where just today Bishop Mouneer Anis has described a new structure for Anglicans, focused primarily on the Global South/GAFCON/FOCA crowd. I appreciate his clarity and honesty, even if I regret the division he envisions.Marshall Scotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02807749717320495495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-9759009351738051542010-04-22T19:23:03.432-05:002010-04-22T19:23:03.432-05:00I also truly think that the Global South bishops h...I also truly think that the Global South bishops have no real concept of what a "Communion" is, as opposed to a "Church." In other words, they see us as all part of one unified church body that must be all on the same page. If you look at it from that perspective, then a part of THE Anglican Church has consecrated and will consecrate a homosexual person to the episcopate. They cannot conceive that just because WE have done so doesn't mean that they must recognize it. They could say "Oh, you know those decadent westerners. We may share a common beginning, but we don't believe what they do." But, since we're all in the same church, they think we're more linked than we are. Am I making any sense? It's the other edge of "I am because you are."Tom Sramek, Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/17891982131922786298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-25447922608345325772010-04-22T19:13:04.509-05:002010-04-22T19:13:04.509-05:00Splendidly put. Thank you.Splendidly put. Thank you.Timhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01271248501086241494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-44240043231020652072010-04-22T16:36:24.139-05:002010-04-22T16:36:24.139-05:00But carping raises soooo much more money.
"W...But carping raises soooo much more money.<br /><br />"We need your help to combat the evil of [fill in the blank]. Your contribution will help in this fight for all that is good! (Make checks payable to..."Deacon Charlie Perrinnoreply@blogger.com