tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post7869028566441740481..comments2023-12-17T16:13:06.670-05:00Comments on In a Godward direction: The Uplifting Low-DownTobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-6786375914056608772008-10-05T01:14:00.000-05:002008-10-05T01:14:00.000-05:00I am so sorry to have been away from SJE when you ...I am so sorry to have been away from SJE when you visited. Thank you for this.janinsanfranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07548452260456734928noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-55836087236333035772008-09-22T09:12:00.000-05:002008-09-22T09:12:00.000-05:00Very thought provoking. Thank you.Very thought provoking. Thank you.Doorman-Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06407399232593479871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-4994329763736200242008-09-21T22:03:00.000-05:002008-09-21T22:03:00.000-05:00Absolute evidence of the ineffable and unlimited g...Absolute evidence of the ineffable and unlimited goodness of God: he gave us Tobias just when we needed him most!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-77933056355636534452008-09-20T20:51:00.000-05:002008-09-20T20:51:00.000-05:00Tobias, we agree more than I knew.Who am I to thin...Tobias, we agree more than I knew.<BR/><BR/>Who am I to think of adding to William Law's words, but I do. I would have said, "For his <I>incarnation, life, teachings</I>, sufferings, death, resurrection and ascension, are all of them equally on our account, for our sake, for our good and benefit, but none of them possible to be in our stead."June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-53375735019191871202008-09-20T20:34:00.000-05:002008-09-20T20:34:00.000-05:00Thanks JCF. Christopher too. I didn't realize that...Thanks JCF. Christopher too. I didn't realize that was <I>the</I> Christopher with whom I shook hands and chatted briefly. Well, it was a pleasure to meet you but I wish my brain had clicked on the connection!<BR/><BR/>Mimi, my thinking is also much more along the Abelardian lines with a bit of the "Christus Victor" thrown in, as well as some stuff from the much negelcted early Anglican proto-process theologian Lionel Thornton. I can't at all buy the penal substitution theories. If God is like the God portrayed in those theories, that isn't God. Also very unAnglican. There's a wonderful quote from William Law:<BR/><BR/><I>The innocent Christ did not suffer, to quiet an angry Deity, but merely as cooperating, assisting and uniting with that love of God, which desired our salvation. That he did not suffer in our place or stead, but only on our account, which is quite a different matter. And to say, that he suffered in our place or stead, is as absurd, as contrary to Scripture, as to say, that he<BR/>rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven in our place and stead, that we might be excused from it. For his sufferings, death, resurrection and ascension, are all of them equally on our account, for our sake, for our good and benefit, but none of them possible to be in our stead.</I> -- Spirit of Love, 2d DialogueTobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-66136320492367661692008-09-20T14:43:00.000-05:002008-09-20T14:43:00.000-05:00With JCF, I say that Mr Johnson is an excellent ch...With JCF, I say that Mr Johnson is an excellent choice as the illustration of how difficult is for us to grasp the reality of being a slave, which is what Jesus became. <BR/><BR/>I must add that your sermon raises a few questions that have to do with my concept of salvation. I won't take up the space in the comments here to go into them now, except to say that my ideas of just how Jesus saves and what he saves us from seem to be more in line with those of Abelard, the heretic. There you have it.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-91745480329864990052008-09-20T11:10:00.000-05:002008-09-20T11:10:00.000-05:00Can I just say that this was the best sermon I hav...Can I just say that this was the best sermon I have heard for a while. I really appreciated hearing you preach.Christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10400109177404296836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6786565.post-7949381615386563912008-09-20T00:16:00.000-05:002008-09-20T00:16:00.000-05:00Great sermon, Tobias.The interview w/ Mr. Johnson ...Great sermon, Tobias.<BR/><BR/>The interview w/ Mr. Johnson really illustrates the <I>slave</I>-ness of Jesus, that brings his self-offering to a new place for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com